Here’s an Open Thread for you to fill. Lots happening!

Our The president elect is causing problems before he’s even inaugerated installed as President. And it’s certain he won’t stop because that is his way of doing things. He doesn’t listen well and thinks he knows better than the other person what to do. That’s all due to his mental problem and it is very evident now that he has a mental problem. A very loose cannon that will continue to get us into Diplomatic problems that could be very serious and dangerous.

Your thought?

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    Trump Is Letting Go the People in Charge of Maintaining Our Nuclear Arsenal [Updated]

    …Just as with Obama’s soon-to-be-removed international envoys, Trump’s team hasn’t asked Under Secretary for Nuclear Security Frank Klotz and his deputy, Madelyn Creedon—both Obama appointees—to stay in their posts, even if it means no one is in charge of maintaining the country’s nuclear weapons. According to our Energy Department source, Trump’s team has yet to nominate anyone to succeed them. Since both positions require Senate confirmation, if could be months before their chairs are filled. And the vacancies may extend beyond the leadership roles.
    “There are scores more appointees within the department,” our source told us. “Secretarial and administration appointments that don’t require Senate confirmation, mostly performing policy, liaison, and strategic advisory capacities in support of the agency they’re at. They serve at the will of the head of their agency. Those people are, theoretically, also out on inauguration day unless otherwise directed, which hasn’t happened yet to my knowledge.”

    The source later added, “I’m more and more coming around to the idea that we’re so very very fucked.”…

  2. @cent:

    First off for everyone, Toni’s in the hospital, you can reach her at 630-315-8314. She had a relapse with her legs. Between an infection, her RA, finding the right combination of meds and stressing out over Trump she’s had a lot going on and will fill you in when she gets back home. Hopefully that will be tomorrow. She sounded good on the phone tonight and I see that as a good sign.

    As for Greenwald, I agree but the mythical 400 lb kid on a bed wouldn’t be savvy enough I suspect to contact Wikileaks. To deny Russian involvement to me is either grossly naive or implies compliance with Russian intelligence.

    I doubt Glenn has been compromised but Trump is a fucking given imho. Right now Putin is doing Chechnya 2.0 in Serbia to keep his polling numbers up. His war crimes in Aleppo cannot be ignored. (Yes I know US drones, but don’t change the subject just yet, the numbers are not comparable). Remember he was at 31% favorability before he blew away 300k innocents in Chechnya. Remember Russia right now is in near economic crisis with oil at $50/barrel and it costs them $65/barrel to produce. Remember Exxon has the tech to make them profitable but can’t supply it b/c of sanctions. Oh! Remember Rex Tillerson will soon be in a position to lift those sanctions which when lifted will make Russian revenues skyrocket. Once Russia can build up it’s forces and Trump has weakened NATO they will storm across eastern Europe to rebuild the USSR, but when they hit the German border it could trigger the first and last nuclear exchange.

    That’s how I see it.

    I don’t deny Greenwald’s logic but what he’s doing in my mind is to say, “Well America is shit for picking on the Russians.” He offers no solutions, only scenarios for the collapse of what’s left of this country. Fuck that shit I say. Certainly I am missing something but I see that as his problem for not explaining completely.

    Like it’s going to be a picnic stopping the cluster fuck we have now with Trump? I don’t recall Glenn or Assange being contradictory of Trump at all.

    I’d rather be battling the asshat neo-liberals I know than Vladimir fucking Putin, who will do anything and follows no rules at all.

    Please, fill in the blanks. Right now I see nothing but Russian ass kissing on the part of Greenwald and Assange who I have always respected even though I haven’t always agreed with.

  3. Johnson says:
    January 13, 2017 at 8:21 pm
    …I don’t recall Glenn or Assange being contradictory of Trump at all…
    There are reasons for this but I do not know what they are.

    I continue to run reasons through the Guess-O-Meter to see if its lights and alarms go off.

  4. @johnson:

    That’s how I see it.

    I hear you…

    …but I don’t buy any of it Chris… it is all an hysterical MSM Establishment smoke screen…. Dems fucked up really bad and are scrambling like hell to distract until they can pull their shit together… and with the wheels about to come off the EU neoliberals are looking hard for a boogieman…

    …and these ludicrous DNI reports just make it all that much more obvious… it’s like a bad remake of the lead up to Iraq all over again… I do not believe a word that comes out of Clapper’s mouth… the CIA can show me the proof or stfu… period…

    …and as you well know, I am neither naive, nor complicit…

    …I had enough of “The Russians are coming!!!” garbage growing up… they don’t get to do that to me this time without proof…

  5. @johnson:

    thanks again for tracking down toni so quickly… after 48 hours I started to get a little nervous and had no idea where to look or who else to ask… I appreciate you banging the phones and finding out what happened…

    hopefully she will be home soon…

  6. Lucasfilm Has No Plans to Digitally Recreate Carrie Fisher – ‎13 hours ago
    Attorneys representing her dog, Gary, have filed an appeal.‎

  7. It’s Really Not That Complicated…

    Why Ridiculous Official Propaganda Still Works
    by CJ Hopkins ~ Counterpunch
    January 13, 2017

    [Hopkins is always recommended as an entertaining read, and I do, but I’ll just cut to the chase]

    The point of all this propaganda is to delegitimize Donald Trump, and to prophylactically reassert the neoliberal ruling classes’ monopoly on power, “reality,” and “truth.” In case this wasn’t already abundantly clear, the neoliberal ruling classes have no intention of giving up control of the global capitalist pseudo-empire they’ve been working to establish these last sixty years. They’re going to delegitimize and stigmatize Trump (and any other symbol of nationalist backlash or resistance to transnational Capitalism), bide their time for the next four years, and then install another of their loyal servants … after which life will go back to “normal,” and liberals will do their best to forget this unfortunate period where they pretended to believe this insipid neo-McCarthyite nonsense.

    If I wasn’t worried that Trump is going to launch an all-out War on Islam, or that one of “our boys” in the tanks Obama has theatrically ordered to the Russian border was going to go bonkers and try to “git some” for Clinton, I’d be looking forward to seeing just how batshit crazy it’s going to get.

    * * *

    …and as I’ve said many times before, I applaud the destruction of Trump… I am, indeed, counting on it… he is a despicable human and incompetent leader who needs to be broken… surely, with a fuck up of his magnitude, that really shouldn’t be too hard to do…

    …we just need to break him without letting the neoliberals off the hook or letting them con us into setting up (or actually starting) the next war, and without becoming fascistic ourselves, in the process…

    Find. Another. Way.

  8. Who’s Next…?

    Since Booker apparently decided to sacrifice his embryonic 2020 bid on the altar of Big Pharma before Orangina was even sworn in, I have been scratching my head trying to fiigure out which centrist puppet the DNC will slap it’s sticker on next… Cuomo maybe? He’s been making “Progressive” noises in NY lately… Mark Warner? Dunno…

    Magik 8-Ball says… “Ask me later… I’m binge watching Sherlock…”

  9. @cent: I just came to see if she’d posted so evidently she didn’t make her great escape. I’ll check in in a bit, I literally have too many pans on the stove!

  10. @cent: OK, thanks for some clarity.

    If they are doing it to regroup the neolibs then I totally understand but giving putin a pass at this “juncture” is way too risky.

    Ah’ll beee baaaaaak. Cooking!

  11. @cent: I don’t see any of the one’s you suspect ever getting enough traction.

    In the next two years the fracturing between the net-libs and the social-libs will be a sure as the Antarctic crack I was just reading about.

    Finally, I’m seeing something to podcast about again. I can’t go back and the way ahead has been nothing but pea soup. I can see clearer now.

  12. @johnson:

    Cue Johnny Nash…

    That rift has been a long time coming and it is a discussion that needs to be had… judging by how quickly and how hard Booker was slammed after that Pharma vote, I think the Schumer wing of the party is finally beginning to understand its not just about Bernie…

    We let the corporatists tear us apart for 30 years, all the while they handed us over to the Banks… that ends now. We have to unite to destroy Trump… but we can have that discussion about exactly who is opposed to economic justice and why, as we do it… We CAN walk and chew gum…

  13. Obama Leaves Healthy US Economy to Trump
    Voice of America  – ‎3 hours ago
    Obama: “I wonder what that’s like?”‎

  14. Spidey-Sense is Tingling…

    My instincts sent up a warning flare (as they are wont to do) about Obama pushing troops into Poland… that lead me to start digging a little deeper into the geopolitics between it and the EU… and sure enough, once again, right off the bat, there is reason to suspect ulterior motives for US military deployment..

    It turns out Poland, apart from being one of the main EU labs for neoliberalism, was starting to show more signs of abandoning it’s commitment to the EU in a “we will take control of everything and kick you fuckers out” kind of way… Germany is the #1 foreign investor in Poland, and, along with the rest of the EU started getting very nervous…

    The Reuters article below highlights more tone than numbers, but it captures a quick peek into what is going on between Poland and the EU right now, and why it is at least plausible the US is in there as a show of force and to protect EU assets… moreso from the new Polish RW Populist Government than Russian invasion…

    This is just a proto-thought… but it definitely requires more consideration…

    Poland’s Kaczynski calls EU democracy inquiry “an absolute comedy”
    Pawel Sobczak and Justyna Pawlak | WARSAW
    Thu Dec 22, 2016 | 12:28pm EST


    The head of Poland’s ruling party mocked an EU inquiry into the state of Polish democracy as “an absolute comedy” and brushed off accusations his country was veering into authoritarianism.

    Jaroslaw Kaczynski, seen as the country’s most powerful figure despite holding no government post, denied that curbs on the media and changes to the constitutional court were putting democracy at risk in the EU’s biggest former communist state.

    “Let them launch it,” he told Reuters of the European Commission’s decision this year to open an inquiry into the rule of law in Poland. The EU executive on Wednesday gave Warsaw two months to respond but signalled no potential consequences.

    In theory Poland could be stripped of its EU voting rights if all other 27 member states saw fit, but that seems unlikely as Hungary, which also has a right-wing government that bristles against interference by Brussels, has said it would veto such a move.

    “It’s an absolute comedy, because there is nothing going on in Poland that contravenes the rule of law,” Kaczynski said in an interview conducted on Monday embargoed for publication until Wednesday.

    His Law and Justice (PiS) party is engaged in a standoff with opposition parties that have been occupying parliament’s debating chamber for days in a protest about restrictions on media access, a protest he called illegal. [nL5N1EG2OP]

    Of the reforms to the constitutional court, which critics say will compromise the judiciary’s independence, Kaczynski said they were needed to ensure there are no legal blocks on government policies aimed at creating a fairer economy.

    Questions over his party’s efforts to exert more control over the economy and state institutions led Standard and Poor’s to downgrade Poland’s credit rating in January and have hit investor sentiment.

    But Kaczynski said he would be willing to see some slowdown in economic growth if that was the price of pushing through his vision of Poland.

    “We can pay … the price, because previous economic policy had cost us tens of billions of zlotys a year,” he said.

    “In short, we are seeing a revolt against the fact that we are simply taking away the money that the elites had looted and divided up somehow,” he said.

    “It’s a revolt, and in the long term it is worth it, even if the current pace of economic growth declines. We are talking about 1 percent.”


    Poland was the only European Union member state to avoid recession after the 2008 global economic crisis, but many Poles feel angry over stagnating living standards nearly three decades after the collapse of communism.

    Economic growth has slowed, however, from some 3.9 percent in 2015 to 2.5 percent on an annual basis in the third quarter of 2016 as public and private investment shrunk, with many economists pointing to, in part, policy uncertainty.

    Kaczynski blames the previous, centrist government for allowing corporations to abuse VAT rules, for example, while neglecting poorer Poles, whose support gave his party victory last year.

    “We are questioning the entire (economic) mechanism and want to end it,” he said.

    Poland sees Brexit as chance to shift EU power back to nations

    “People only have one life … They are being told that you have to be very poor so that the Polish economy can develop, because ‘we need to be very rich so we can invest’. The state has to take care of the entire society.”

    Unlike his late twin brother, Lech, who was president when he was killed in a plane crash in 2010, Jaroslaw Kaczynski has usually preferred a backseat role in politics as the way to promote his Catholic and nationalist agenda.

    “Sometimes my role is compared to that of the first secretary during communist times,” Kaczynski said, referring to a post that typically wielded more influence than the prime minister under Poland’s pre-1989 communist rule.

    “Well, the first secretary had a huge building, with hundreds of workers … I wouldn’t be able to manage (that) even if I was incomparably smarter than I am now and had the mind of Einstein,” he said.

    Despite a spell as prime minister in 2006-7 when his brother was president, Kaczynski picked relatively low-profile party loyalists Beata Szydlo and Andrzej Duda for the jobs of prime minister and president last year, a move analysts say was partly due to concerns his divisive image could hurt the PiS.

    “In the political sphere, you can say I have serious authority,” he said. “But in reality, the majority of decisions … are taken without my will and without my consciousness.”

  15. Light Dawns on Marble Head…

    The Elite are finally beginning to get it… or at least beginning to begin to get it… the only question is will they respond with Carrots or Sticks…

    Davos elites struggle for answers as Trump era dawns
    Sun Jan 15, 2017

    “Regardless of how you view Trump and his positions, his election has led to a deep, deep sense of uncertainty and that will cast a long shadow over Davos,” said Jean-Marie Guehenno, CEO of International Crisis Group, a conflict resolution think-tank.

    Moises Naim of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace was even more blunt: “There is a consensus that something huge is going on, global and in many respects unprecedented. But we don’t know what the causes are, nor how to deal with it.”

    The titles of the discussion panels at the WEF, which runs from Jan. 17-20, evoke the unsettling new landscape. Among them are “Squeezed and Angry: How to Fix the Middle Class Crisis”, “Politics of Fear or Rebellion of the Forgotten?”, “Tolerance at the Tipping Point?” and “The Post-EU Era”.

    The list of leaders attending this year is also telling. The star attraction will be Xi Jinping, the first Chinese president ever to attend Davos. His presence is being seen as a sign of Beijing’s growing weight in the world at a time when Trump is promising a more insular, “America first” approach and Europe is pre-occupied with its own troubles, from Brexit to terrorism.

    British Prime Minister Theresa May, who has the thorny task of taking her country out of the EU, will also be there. But Germany’s Angela Merkel, a Davos regular whose reputation for steady, principled leadership would have fit well with the WEF’s main theme of “Responsive and Responsible Leadership”, will not.

    * * *

    …this internal dialogue would probably not be happening in earnest had Clinton won… certainly not in the press… and they would have carried on with business as usual…

  16. Trump promises his Obamacare replacement plan will cover all: Report
    CNN  – ‎45 minutes ago‎
    Well. That settles it, then. I should have voted for him.
    Trumpcare to arrive on unicorn.

  17. @cent:

    …this internal dialogue would probably not be happening in earnest had Clinton won… certainly not in the press… and they would have carried on with business as usual…

    “the pedal to the metal” comes to mind.

  18. Michele called Toni today. She’s stuck in the hospital until they can find the right cocktail of antibiotics to stop the infection that’s been “bugging” her for several weeks now. I know, I know, it was a groaner. I’m guilty but now you know what’s up with Blog Mom.

  19. @johnson:

    Your cheesy pun is worth the groan if an extended stay in the hospital results in a more focused and more comprehensive effort to end bouncing in and out of the hospital every few months for a recurring malady.

    I don’t wish a long stay in a hospital on anyone but I don’t wish repeated short stays in the hospital on anyone, either. How many times has toniD been through this? Six? Seven?

    Here’s to hoping that the medical care professionals discover a more accurate diagnosis and a more efficacious treatment than they have in the past.

    Impeachment doesn’t count as a prescription.

  20. @johnson:

    Digby has a collection of political cartoons from which I have already passed along one without a hat tip. Here’s another that is funny even if the Trump/Putin bromance does not comport with your dissection of available news.


    Stephen Colbert Hammers Donald Trump for Twitter Attack on John Lewis

    …“So Trump spent the Martin Luther King weekend attacking a Civil Rights leader who marched and was beaten with Dr. King,” Colbert added. “What’s he going to do on Easter?”

    From there, the host imagined Trump tweeting, “Loser Jesus dead for 3 days and then we’re supposed to believe he just wakes up? Fake news. I like gods who don’t die. Where’s the rebirth certificate?”…

  22. Colbert notes: News reports say Team Trump has lined up Bruce Springsteen cover band.

    “Who better to sing for a reality TV president than a man pretending to be The Boss?”

  23. @johnson:

    He’s just parroting the Putin playbook.

    Careful Chris…

    I get what you’re saying… but by that loose criteria you’ve just condemned me and much of the hard left as Putin operatives… although maybe not for the same specific reasons…

    Slams EU – I do it at least once a day… for obvious reasons… (maybe you meant ‘NATO’)

    Props to BREXIT – I’m with a lot of Leftists on Brexit as necessary to disrupt the EU Central Bank accelerating consolidation of power and consequent heavy-handedness… Some like Chomsky and Corbin are tough it out “Remain and Reform” advocates… I, and many, many others, think they are kidding themselves… but, if it is possible to force reform, the real threat of dissolution is the surest way to get their undivided attention… and the early returns suggest it seems to be working… just sayin…

    Slams Merkel – Is there anyone watching the EU bleed Greece dry who didn’t slam Merkel?

  24. @johnson:

    Thanks for the update…

    Got to agree with Crank on this one… It’s been going on too long… give the doctors all the time they need to get it right… heal up… rest up… and return to the crucible fired up and ready to burn…

    I’d suggest trying to get her a chromebook, but it might be better for her recovery if she stayed unplugged for a while….

  25. Oh, Corby… You too..? Say it isn’t so…

    It’s Toxic to Demonize Corbyn as Russia ‘Collaborator’ for Opposing Belligerence
    Natasha Hakimi Zapata – Truthdig
    Posted on Jan 17, 2017

    In response to Jeremy Corbyn’s call for the “de-militarisation of the border” between NATO and Russia, critics have dismissed the U.K. Labour Party leader as a traitor.

    * * *

    If we are not careful, history tells us it won’t be long before we are ALL accused of being collaborators in one way or another by the Corporate MSM and their idiot zombie horde…

    Racist Sexist Homophobe Commie Pinko Traitor… whatever works to shut down anti-neolib/neocon dissent…

    Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

    It is astonishing how easily people fall for the same crap over and over and over…

  26. Random Thought…

    Troops in Poland… again… War with Russia… again… Maybe time really is a “flat circle”…

    I wonder if Mr Obama even remembers why he voted against the War in Iraq…

    …or perhaps Peace was part of what he meant when he told us in his inaugural “…the time has come to set aside childish things.”

    Mental Note… anytime any politician starts quoting scripture… run.

  27. This is going to sting a little… uh, maybe more than a little…

    Pilger is pissed off and he torches us all… he does not pull punches… never has, never will…

    This Week The Issue is Not Trump. It is Us
    by John Pilger
    January 17, 2017

    On the day President Trump is inaugurated, thousands of writers in the United States will express their indignation. “In order for us to heal and move forward …,” say Writers Resist, “we wish to bypass direct political discourse, in favour of an inspired focus on the future, and how we, as writers, can be a unifying force for the protection of democracy.”

    And: “We urge local organizers and speakers to avoid using the names of politicians or adopting ‘anti’ language as the focus for their Writers Resist event. It’s important to ensure that nonprofit organizations, which are prohibited from political campaigning, will feel confident participating in and sponsoring these events.”

    Thus, real protest is to be avoided, for it is not tax exempt.

    * * *

    That is just the beginning… read it all… but, like I said, it will sting…

  28. “Liberals…”

    …cry about the GOP trying to destroy the UN and undermine it’s international Human Rights authority… when it suits them…

    …this is the 2nd time the Special Procedures Independent Experts appointed by the UN Human Rights Council to investigate whistle-blower persecution has demand Assange and Snowden be left in peace…

    “It is time to recognize the contribution of whistleblowers” – UN expert welcomes commutation of Manning’s sentence

    GENEVA (18 January 2017) – The United Nations Independent Expert on the promotion of a democratic and equitable international order, Alfred de Zayas, welcomes the commutation of Chelsea Manning’s 35-year sentence for leaking classified military secrets. Mr. de Zayas calls on all Governments to protect whistleblowers instead of persecuting them.

    “I welcome the commutation of sentence of Chelsea Manning and her forthcoming release in May. There are, however, many whistleblowers who have served the cause of human rights and who are still in prison in many countries throughout the world. It is time to recognize the contribution of whistleblowers to democracy and the rule of law and to stop persecuting them.

    I call on Governments worldwide to put an end to multiple campaigns of defamation, mobbing and even prosecution of whistleblowers like Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, the Luxleakers Antoine Deltour and Raphael Halet and the tax corruption leaker Rafi Rotem, who have acted in good faith and who have given meaning to article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights on freedom of expression. Whistleblowers who are serving prison sentence in many countries should be pardoned.

    Whistleblowers are human rights defenders whose contribution to democracy and the rule of law cannot be overestimated. They serve democracy and human rights by revealing information that all persons are entitled to receive. A culture of secrecy is frequently also a culture of impunity. Because the right to know proclaimed in article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is absolutely crucial to every democracy, whistleblowers should be protected, not persecuted.

    A democratic and equitable international order can best be achieved when States give prompt and effective consideration to the findings and recommendations of international human rights mechanisms, especially those of special procedures mandate holders and treaty bodies.
    Respect for human rights and human dignity must be vindicated by giving necessary protection to whistleblowers and adopting a Charter of Rights of Whistleblowers, as I proposed in my 2016 report to the United Nations General Assembly.
    I urge the UK and Swedish Governments to strengthen the human rights system by giving effect to the recommendation of the UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detention. I am concerned that despite the opinion of the Working Group neither Government has taken steps toward implementation and Mr. Assange finds himself a refugee under the diplomatic protection of Ecuador.

    It is time for this abnormal and inhuman situation to end.”

    * * *

    …but no… cause, MSM Commie Boogiemonsters….



    The Betsy DeVos Hearing Was an Insult to Democracy
    Who are the real grizzlies?

    Remember When People Cared About Clean Drinking Water?
    EPA pick Scott Pruitt will save us.

    Trump’s Treasury Pick Is a Reminder the 2008 Financial Crisis Was No Accident
    Confirmation hearing blues.

    6 Agencies Were Investigating Trump’s Russia Connections Before the Dossier
    Future historians will be amazed we inaugurated this man.

    Trump Should Probably Get Around to Filling These 662 Jobs
    But first, let’s pump out some fire tweets.
    Are you freaked out yet?

    The Clinton machine has been sidelined. You have no reason to be freaked out. “Any port in a storm,” as they say. This is your port.

    Exit through the gift shop.

  30. Norman Goldman Retweeted
    Rep. Barbara Lee ‏@RepBarbaraLee 13h 13 hours ago
    Rep. Tom Price wants to take away health care from 20+ million people.
    That alone should disqualify him from serving as Secretary of HHS.
    tom price

  31. @Jmach1P:

    Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren Questioned Tom Price today.
    Norman Goldman shared some nice sound clips.
    The Action is between about 3:00 – 6:50, with a set-up before, & comments after.

  32. Perspective…

    I have never seen anything like this before… nationwide, activism is so… active… there are so many protests in progress and planned around the country, addressing so many issues, it is impossible to keep track of them all… the one commonality they ALL have is their target… Everything is focused on Trump…

    Congressional Dems (and some GOP) have begun their “go fuck yourself” campaign against Trump too… he will be lucky to get ANY appointees in place before Monday morning…

    Ironically, Trump will be forced to keep Obama people in place in the interim…

    Buckle Up… this is only the beginning…

    For some creatures chaos is a paralytic… for others, a stimulant…
    (I’ll have to write that one down…)

  33. I’m home. Got home last night. Still very weak. I’m on 2 different antibiotics for a different bacteria in my leg sores, Ciprofloxacin and Amoxicillin Clavulanante.

    Instead of researching the politics of the day, I am researching diseases and medications and their side effects. That’s scarier than politics.

    Thanks for your good wishes and keeping up the blog. Good reading.

  34. @toniD:

    Glad to see you back home toni… soo sorry you got soo sick… I hope the cipro cocktail they have you on clears everything up…

    Please rest take and care of yourself…

  35. @cent: Thanks cent.

    I have to admit this knocked the hell out of me.

    I’m so glad to see the Dems going after these cabinet nominees. More like that!!!

    In the hospital I only got Fox News and CNN and they both suck!! MSNBC isn’t great but some of their reporters are questioning these pollys better and calling them out more. Once in awhile someone from CNN will call them out but not when it counts.


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